MBB Post-season Thread

[stinger78]

Who in his right mind would have fired Gregory, with the challenges next year will bring, if he didn't have the next coach wrapped up? Now we very well may have to go with an unproven coach, lose this entire recruiting class, such as it is, and take the further hit to our image, and watch our program sink for another 5 years.

But it is a good plan, comrade!

 

[ESPNjacket]

But it is a good plan, comrade!

As long as we have a Plan. We are stacking up the failed plans for the workers.

 

[stech81]

I hope we are NOT using the same Search Company that we used to find our A.D to find us a coach.

 

[GTJT622]

I hope we are NOT using the same Search Company that we used to find our A.D to find us a coach.

Sobering thought (just a thought, not advocating 'sobering', btw...in fact, we probably need to drink up more now than ever)...

...we're paying Bobinski 700 grand for this.

 

[ESPNjacket]

I hope we are NOT using the same Search Company that we used to find our A.D to find us a coach.

MBob is not using a search firm in the way they are normally used. He is using them to make contact at MBob's behest and to do background checks.

The AD hire was essentially assigned to one booster, who made the choice hoping that we'd get a great basketball coach when the time came. The time is now and we shall see the result soon.

 

[stech81]

Sobering thought (just a thought, not advocating 'sobering', btw...in fact, we probably need to drink up more now than ever)...

...we're paying Bobinski 700 grand for this.

It's in Bobinski Contract that if he can find a basketball coach before next season he gets a 300k bonus .

 

[stech81]

I'll be sooooo happy when it's football season. ( and drunk)

 

[Texwood]

Alright I got this figured out, and you girls are going to like it. We lost out on Drew because he figured out that MBob was slow playing him.

Allow me to explain. When MBob gave Gregory the boot he had a whole lot to say about this hire. One of the things he said was that "We're going to look for the very best person" - full stop. When I first saw this quote I thought to myself - what the hell does he mean by that? He didn't say top person, accomplished person, respected person - no - he said the very best person. My Adam West Batman deductive reasoning skills finally kicked in today, and I now know what Bobinski meant. He's going after the guy who wins the national championship tonight, with the loser as his backup option.

MBob needed filler material between firing Gregory and tonight's title game so he picked the coach of a 1-seed in the NIT and leaked his name. The leak served as an excuse for a low amount of activity during the first week of the search. For this strategy to work, he needed to get a guy who would make it to Thursday night's championship game and MBob nailed it. Very impressive.

So you see, Drew was a red herring all along. MBob goes to work tomorrow and we are looking at either Roy or Jay as the next guy steering the ship in the enormous hooter.

 

[stinger78]

I'll be sooooo happy when it's football season. ( and drunk)

You heard it here first...

Capel stayed at Dook because he knew that K is resigning as soon as this last class is signed. He will take over the Dook program and Coach K will move into a pre-retirement arrangement with GA Tech to coach men's basketball on the cheap for the next 3 years, until Blewitt is paid off. The whole Drew thing was a careful diversion.

This came from my contact in Durham.

It is The Plan TM.

 

[Buzzforlife]

The recruiting class to save is 2017. Now that doesn't mean most of the great ones won't be signed by Mid-November, 2016.

Trust me, we had almost no chance with only two years left on CBG's contract of attracting any of those 5-Star Studs. This was a no-brainer, unless extending him for another three years. My thoughts are that it was a year late.

 

[ESPNjacket]

So you see, Drew was a red herring all along. MBob goes to work tomorrow and we are looking at either Roy or Jay as the next guy steering the ship in the enormous hooter.

Points for creativity.

BANANA SPLITS

 

[GTJT622]

Just curious, why isn't Dino Gaudio a candidate for any jobs?...or, is he?

I know he has a nice gig with TV during the winter at ESPN, but seems like he would be getting sniffs here or there if he was/is interested in rejoining the coaching profession.

Seems like fading memory makes me think he didn't leave on the best of terms with Wake when they fired him. NCAA concerns??? Wake has sucked ass since they fired him.

I guess I am a bit surprised he hasn't gotten another job (unless he just isn't interested of course). I mean, CBB regurgitates the unclean over and over - Bruce Pearl, Jim Harrick, and Larry Brown just to name a few.

He has ties to Xavier, the late Prosser, the ACC, and has stayed very close to the game via his TV work.

Gaudio wiki bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_Gaudio


edit note: I found this article from Andy Katz about Wake AD Ron Wellman's reasoning for canning Gaudio... http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...letic-director-ron-wellman-dino-gaudio-firing ...looks like Wake got greedy...man, they are paying for that

edit note #2: looking at Gaudio's wiki bio more closely shows me in his last 2 of 3 years as HC at Wake, he was over .500 in regular season ACC play...Tech has been over .500 in ACC play twice in the past 20 years

 

[GTJT622]

Who in his right mind would have fired Gregory, with the challenges next year will bring, if he didn't have the next coach wrapped up? Now we very well may have to go with an unproven coach, lose this entire recruiting class, such as it is, and take the further hit to our image, and watch our program sink for another 5 years.

But it is a good plan, comrade!

Cheer up. At least we have a shiny new practice facility and a shiny new basketball arena for nobody to go see the team play. Paying 2 fired coaches and 3.5 million over 5 years for an A.D.

BRILLIANT!

 

[Texwood]

• If we are down to option # 4 or 5, then I hope the financial package offering is commensurate with who we down to. IOW, if we were going to dish out $1.8-2.2M to a Capel or Drew, then let's go cheap on some of the names that are being hypothesized now. In fact, I'll take the job for 622 bucks and will pay stech81 $33.98 (a couple of cases of Bud Light) to be my top - and only - assistant. He's retired now and has plenty of time on his hands. Keeping all of his wives happy and building statues can take a break during the winter.

I have no idea where this search goes from here, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that the next guy on MBob's list is a lower dollar hire than Capel or Drew would have been. I believe he has the ability to go higher than that salary range for this hire, so the next name we hear about could well be a higher profile guy. No matter how it plays out from here, I do hope that the names of actual candidates are kept under wraps a little better than what we've seen thus far.

 

[GTJT622]

I've given up on the Bobinski plays things close to the vest and keeps things to himself angle. I probably should have known that when he put an unnecessary time frame on himself. This could drag out awhile and the longer it does, the worse we look and perhaps the stronger leverage is created in the negotiations for the candidates.

 

[Buzzforlife]

http://georgiatech.blog.ajc.com/2016/04/04/where-does-techs-search-turn-now/

 

[stinger78]

I've given up on the Bobinski plays things close to the vest and keeps things to himself angle. I probably should have known that when he put an unnecessary time frame on himself. This could drag out awhile and the longer it does, the worse we look and perhaps the stronger leverage is created in the negotiations for the candidates.

Well, in fairness, it is a two-person game. Bobber is not the only one who has intimate knowledge of the process. Nor is he the only one who has gain by making things public that should be private.

Otherwise, off with his head!

 

[ESPNjacket]

Just curious, why isn't Dino Gaudio a candidate for any jobs?...or, is he?

I know he has a nice gig with TV during the winter at ESPN, but seems like he would be getting sniffs here or there if he was/is interested in rejoining the coaching profession.

Seems like fading memory makes me think he didn't leave on the best of terms with Wake when they fired him. NCAA concerns??? Wake has sucked ass since they fired him.

I guess I am a bit surprised he hasn't gotten another job (unless he just isn't interested of course). I mean, CBB regurgitates the unclean over and over - Bruce Pearl, Jim Harrick, and Larry Brown just to name a few.

He has ties to Xavier, the late Prosser, the ACC, and has stayed very close to the game via his TV work.

Gaudio wiki bio: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_Gaudio


edit note: I found this article from Andy Katz about Wake AD Ron Wellman's reasoning for canning Gaudio... http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...letic-director-ron-wellman-dino-gaudio-firing ...looks like Wake got greedy...man, they are paying for that

edit note #2: looking at Gaudio's wiki bio more closely shows me in his last 2 of 3 years as HC at Wake, he was over .500 in regular season ACC play...Tech has been over .500 in ACC play twice in the past 20 years

That is a fair question and one I cannot answer. My best guess is that Gaudio had a ton of talent and didn't produce anything in the postseason. Since he wasn't there long no one knows if he can recruit. Since he has a good job he hasn't tried to beat the door down anywhere and convince them otherwise.

Well, all of that and a fairly lousy record in his other HC gigs.

 

[GTJT622]

Well, in fairness, it is a two-person game. Bobber is not the only one who has intimate knowledge of the process. Nor is he the only one who has gain by making things public that should be private.

Otherwise, off with his head!

And, that is a fair analysis. This though goes back to your question posed before of what kind of AD fires a guy who has many positives* and doesn't already have a strong candidate ready to go? I mean, we are seriously facing bringing in someone with less credentials and higher risk than the guy we are going to pay to not coach our team.

*by positives regarding Gregory, there are everything other than the W-L record but also includes he did a good job signing a solid '16 class with clouds hanging over his program's head of whether he would be retained or not

 

[Texwood]

Has anyone heard anything about Vanderbilt scheduling a press conference?

 

[Buzzforlife]

Has anyone heard anything about Vanderbilt scheduling a press conference?

Still negotiating, he wants more $ reportedly. Supposition is an attempt to bring Ga. Tech back in for negotiating leverage.

We offered 1.5 million, Vandy surpassed that amount. May the games continue.

 

[Texwood]

Still negotiating, he wants more $ reportedly. Supposition is an attempt to bring Ga. Tech back in for negotiating leverage.

We offered 1.5 million, Vandy surpassed that amount. May the games continue.

Thanks for the info. Looks like negotiations might be complete now.

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 53s53 seconds ago
Vandy has agreed with Valpo's Bryce Drew to a 6-year deal, sources told ESPN.

 

[Buzzforlife]

Wikipedia has him now as the Vandy HC. Hearing a guaranteed 16 million, not sure if that is part of Valpo buyout?

 

[Texwood]

It's being reported that Drew's contract is worth $16.3M over 6 years, or about $2.7M per year. That's an expensive roll of the dice.

 

[ESPNjacket]

It's being reported that Drew's contract is worth $16.3M over 6 years, or about $2.7M per year. That's an expensive roll of the dice.

Amen.

MBob shouldn't get grief over this. That contract is not commensurate with his experience.

 

[Buzzforlife]

Exactly! Going from 200k to 2 1/2 million is over paying. No P5 experience.

 

[GTJT622]

Amen.

MBob shouldn't get grief over this. That contract is not commensurate with his experience.

I double amen that amen. I'm praising Vandy for taking him out of our picture regardless of salary, but that is insane. That's nuts. Bobinski gets a for not going anywhere near that kind of money...for that guy.

 

[GTJT622]

Exactly! Going from 200k to 2 1/2 million is over paying. No P5 experience.

Further, no experience outside of a small Horizon League school. I don't get the love affair some have developed over this guy. We'll see if he comes anywhere near the (ridiculous IMO) investment Vandy is making in him. For that kind of money, he needs to win a SEC title or two, step up to Kentucky face-to-face annually, and get to the Sweet 16 regularly.

 

[ESPNjacket]

Further, no experience outside of a small Horizon League school. I don't get the love affair some have developed over this guy. We'll see if he comes anywhere near the (ridiculous IMO) investment Vandy is making in him. For that kind of money, he needs to win a SEC title or two, step up to Kentucky face-to-face annually, and get to the Sweet 16 regularly.

Also for that money, with their returning roster (assuming they all return), they should see that immediately.

 

[Texwood]

Ken S is saying MBob is going to make an aggressive run at a whale.

"I’ve heard, somewhat obliquely, that athletic director Mike Bobinski was to make an aggressive run at a coach at a high-major conference, with a Tuesday meeting scheduled. The source wouldn’t identify the coach, not wanting to make waves at his present school.

Not exactly rock-solid information, but I have reason to believe it to be the case."

Link

 

[stinger78]

And, that is a fair analysis. This though goes back to your question posed before of what kind of AD fires a guy who has many positives* and doesn't already have a strong candidate ready to go? I mean, we are seriously facing bringing in someone with less credentials and higher risk than the guy we are going to pay to not coach our team.

*by positives regarding Gregory, there are everything other than the W-L record but also includes he did a good job signing a solid '16 class with clouds hanging over his program's head of whether he would be retained or not

Yeah, and that has my head about to explode. Yet it is so typical post-Homer Rice.

However, we just have to hope the latest rumors are true - that we are actually going to aim higher than Drew. Not that such and endeavor would be difficult. I never thought he was the elite up and comer that he was made to be. Certainly a good modified risk to take in our circumstance

Count me in the group that is thankful that Bobber didn't drop that much cash on the barrel head for him.

 

[Texwood]

I'm not going to spend much time speculating about Ken's whale because I don't think he's all that well connected, but I will point out that Mick Cronin recently came close to leaving Cincy for UNLV. UNLV's AD was under the impression that they had a verbal agreement when Cronin left for home, but Cronin apparently changed his mind. So there's one guy who would consider a change of scenery, for whatever that's worth. I'm going to end speculation about Ken's whale until someone else corroborates that rumor.

 

[GTJT622]

That settles it. Welcome to Tech, Mark Fox.

(I suggest spraying him down to kill the fleas first before stepping on campus)



Foxy isn't a whale, though he has a lot of guys playing for him who will be in jail, which leads to his time at Hell being pretty much a big fail, but Bobinski is still on the trail to find a head coach who will bail on his job at Yale or wherever they recruit by offering some tail.

 

[GTJT622]

If the HC at UNCW is in play, this reminds me of a thread war a couple of months ago on the JMU board where a visiting UNCW fan was crowing about their season to which the Dukes jumped all over him advising their HC was involved or at minimum was very aware of the recruiting "favors" that were involved during his time on Pitino's staff at the Escort Service Academy.

I never researched if any of that is true or even might be true as I find the JMU message board to be a steaming pile of butthurt morons in the mold of UConn and WVU imbeciles. But, it's just something to keep in mind.

 

[BornAJacket]

Who in his right mind would have fired Gregory, with the challenges next year will bring, if he didn't have the next coach wrapped up? Now we very well may have to go with an unproven coach, lose this entire recruiting class, such as it is, and take the further hit to our image, and watch our program sink for another 5 years.

But it is a good plan, comrade!

Maybe there is some truth to the talk of Gregory's agent standing firm on the need for an extension... Seems like they forced Bobinski's hand.

 

[GTJT622]

If Gregory's agent demanded an extension and it led to Gregory getting fired...

...note to self: never use Gregory's agent.

 

[Texwood]

Maybe there is some truth to the talk of Gregory's agent standing firm on the need for an extension... Seems like they forced Bobinski's hand.

How would that work? Agent says give my client an extension or else! Or else what? If client walks, client loses the buyout. MBob would say walk, I'm not going to fire your ass and pay you $1.3M to leave. I suppose agent could threaten that CBG will undergo a sex change operation and dress like a trashy whore during games. If I were MBob, I'd call that bluff.

 

[GTJT622]

I have an unnamed source who tells me that Gregory wanted to walk and save Tech the buyout clause, but Bobinski insisted on firing him so we'd have to pay him $1M+. This unnamed source by the way doesn't have a name. Literally. No name. He doesn't even like being called "Unnamed Source" because it may stick and become his name.

 

[Texwood]

If the HC at UNCW is in play, this reminds me of a thread war a couple of months ago on the JMU board where a visiting UNCW fan was crowing about their season to which the Dukes jumped all over him advising their HC was involved or at minimum was very aware of the recruiting "favors" that were involved during his time on Pitino's staff at the Escort Service Academy.

I never researched if any of that is true or even might be true as I find the JMU message board to be a steaming pile of butthurt morons in the mold of UConn and WVU imbeciles. But, it's just something to keep in mind.

I think Keatts is untouchable for this hiring cycle. On the low dollar front, my grapevine was saying Matt McCall yesterday. Interesting to see that name appear in Ken's article today. I don't even want to think about that possibility. Fingers crossed that Ken's whale has legs.

 

[GTJT622]

Gotta be Jay Wright. He's disgruntled with the Nova job.