Fan Base Size and Expansion
- By Jason GoTech
- The Buzz - Members Only
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I was curious to see if there was any information on fan base sizes out there and I found an article that provided some good informaiton.
By Conference
SEC: Total Fans 54 Million or 3.86 M per team on avg
ACC: Total Fans 23.5 Million or 1.68 M per team on avg
BIG: Total Fans 44.6 Million or 3.19M per team on avg
Pac 12: 23.5 M or 1.96 M per team on avg
Big 12: 11.6 M or 0.83 per team on avg
I believe they did not account for teams moving between conferences. Therefore, TX and Okl are part of BIG12.
They listed top 16 teams ranging from no. 1 being Ohio State with 11 million fans down to Tennessee with 3.27 million fans.
The surprise was Stanford with 3.45 million fans. Oregon was kind of a surprise at 5.45M but I guess that NIke money has brought on a lot of bandwagon fans outside of Oregon. UGA listed at 3.99 million fans which is 12th highest.
Top 5 had 3 BiG teams along with ND and Texas.
Next 5 had Florida and Alabama from SEC. Wisoncisn and USC for BIG and Oregon who we know wants to go to the BIG.
Tenn, Auburn, UGA, Texas A&M, and LSU round out the 16 with Standfor in there. Oklahoma has 3.22 M according to article so they are close.
The article mentioned USC with 4.46 M fans from the Pac and I guesstimated UCLA might have 3 M fans that would leave the PAC with 16.04 million fans when those two schools exit. LIkely why they are having trouble with a deal but seems like they should do better than Big 12. If you took that 16M and combined with ACCs 23.5M you would have 39.54 M which would be third best. But if you look at avg fans by schools in a combined ACC Pac league it would be 1.65 M which is what the ACC is at now based on my taking an avg. That is why I would guess an ACC and PAC merger does not net more money.
ND could help a lot cause they have the second most fans at 8 million. WV only has 1.84 M so they don't bring much in terms of fan base. Again this says to me our best hope given the situation is to push ND hard and relentlessly to join the conference. There may not be another team really worth taking after that. Outside of maybe an Oregon which would put them on an island like USC and UCLA are now in the BIG. Plus you figure the BIG will get them soon enough anyway.
Another issue I see is that I don't think there are really 40 high value schools in terms of fan base and ability to win. When I look at it I can come up with maybe 20 that make sense. To go to 40 will mean taking some schools in the BIG 2 conferences that really likely are no better than GT in terms of fan base and success.
Take Nebraska for example. They were mentioned as having 2.55 M fans. Much lower than the 3 to 11 million the top 16 had. Colorado btw only had 950K fans. Seems like that would be a problem and of course until they got Deion they were struggling but they don't bring much and why the BIG 12 seems to be their only option outside of the Pac.
If I were to guess GT probably has on the low side just under a million. On the high side just under 2 million fans. The ACC avg of 1.68 M seems realistic to me. Therefore, we would not be taken based on fan base size. To get in top 40 we would have to get in based on ability to market our games.
I think you could make an easy case for 20 teams. Going to 30 will let some in that probably are not really on the level of the top 18 or so. But you need teams to play, right? But I don't think 40 is a number that can stick when the top teams look to take money from those who they feel are not pulling their weight.
By Conference
SEC: Total Fans 54 Million or 3.86 M per team on avg
ACC: Total Fans 23.5 Million or 1.68 M per team on avg
BIG: Total Fans 44.6 Million or 3.19M per team on avg
Pac 12: 23.5 M or 1.96 M per team on avg
Big 12: 11.6 M or 0.83 per team on avg
I believe they did not account for teams moving between conferences. Therefore, TX and Okl are part of BIG12.
They listed top 16 teams ranging from no. 1 being Ohio State with 11 million fans down to Tennessee with 3.27 million fans.
The surprise was Stanford with 3.45 million fans. Oregon was kind of a surprise at 5.45M but I guess that NIke money has brought on a lot of bandwagon fans outside of Oregon. UGA listed at 3.99 million fans which is 12th highest.
Top 5 had 3 BiG teams along with ND and Texas.
Next 5 had Florida and Alabama from SEC. Wisoncisn and USC for BIG and Oregon who we know wants to go to the BIG.
Tenn, Auburn, UGA, Texas A&M, and LSU round out the 16 with Standfor in there. Oklahoma has 3.22 M according to article so they are close.
The article mentioned USC with 4.46 M fans from the Pac and I guesstimated UCLA might have 3 M fans that would leave the PAC with 16.04 million fans when those two schools exit. LIkely why they are having trouble with a deal but seems like they should do better than Big 12. If you took that 16M and combined with ACCs 23.5M you would have 39.54 M which would be third best. But if you look at avg fans by schools in a combined ACC Pac league it would be 1.65 M which is what the ACC is at now based on my taking an avg. That is why I would guess an ACC and PAC merger does not net more money.
ND could help a lot cause they have the second most fans at 8 million. WV only has 1.84 M so they don't bring much in terms of fan base. Again this says to me our best hope given the situation is to push ND hard and relentlessly to join the conference. There may not be another team really worth taking after that. Outside of maybe an Oregon which would put them on an island like USC and UCLA are now in the BIG. Plus you figure the BIG will get them soon enough anyway.
Another issue I see is that I don't think there are really 40 high value schools in terms of fan base and ability to win. When I look at it I can come up with maybe 20 that make sense. To go to 40 will mean taking some schools in the BIG 2 conferences that really likely are no better than GT in terms of fan base and success.
Take Nebraska for example. They were mentioned as having 2.55 M fans. Much lower than the 3 to 11 million the top 16 had. Colorado btw only had 950K fans. Seems like that would be a problem and of course until they got Deion they were struggling but they don't bring much and why the BIG 12 seems to be their only option outside of the Pac.
If I were to guess GT probably has on the low side just under a million. On the high side just under 2 million fans. The ACC avg of 1.68 M seems realistic to me. Therefore, we would not be taken based on fan base size. To get in top 40 we would have to get in based on ability to market our games.
I think you could make an easy case for 20 teams. Going to 30 will let some in that probably are not really on the level of the top 18 or so. But you need teams to play, right? But I don't think 40 is a number that can stick when the top teams look to take money from those who they feel are not pulling their weight.