Do you expect CJP to produce top 25 classes????
Maybe not every year, depends on the # of ships he has, but he can put some together when they have more than two ships to offer, remember hoops you only have a handful of spots so to get in the top 25 if you only two take they would have to be top 50 players.
It seems like OL play has always been an issue under Johnson, besides 2014... Why is it so difficult for us to block people?
dcjacket gave a great answer actually
"1. With a couple of exceptions, Navy and GSU does not week in and weak out have to face the level of talent of the types like Clemson, UGA, UNC, FSU, VT etc. These defenses are bigger, more athletic, and stronger. Furthermore, they are able to bring the fight to the Offense and disrupt it.
2. CPJ while at GSU was bringing in the talent at the top level of his competition. He was the FSU, Ala of his class. While at Navy, the equalizer is the mindset and motivation of these guys. If you ever watched a Navy game, you will see a much higher level of intensity consistently executed on the field than what we see with our crew who are more talented. The midshipman are special guys, especially the players with what they have to do.
3. IMO, CPJ has to morph what I believe is his view on player evaluation and placement on the OL and take it to another level. The reason for this at both stops he has had to coach up players and fit players into the offense. This is whether you move G or TE and make them OTs or DTs to either a C or G. This is a result of working with what you have and is a great skill set. Consider this, a true OT is difficult to get at GT, almost impossible at his previous stops.
4. I obviously have not seen his playbook with blocking schemes. However, I think on the OL he needs to adjust the schemes because they maybe a little ambitious because who he is blocking, how he is blocking, or who he is using to execute the block. Just to give him credit, in my view three seasons ago this was very obvious and he made adjustments in our very successful year setting an Orange Bowl record. Last year it seems it was an issue of injuries."
If memory serves me correctly cpj coached teams at southern and navy didn't seem to have OL issues. Wth?
See above, they weren't facing ACC-level DLs, LB and DBs in practice either. Also the Navy guys will do and execute anything you tell them, I mean they are trained that way and it reflects in how they perform on the field.
In reference to a lack of leadership on the football team, from a report. In 2014, JT was a soph team captain, the first I ever recall at GT, and I thought he would provide great leadership throughout his career. Now he seems to not be the leader we need. What happened?
Vad Lee was one vote from being a team captain the year before, that doesn't mean anything. The players vote on the captains doesn't mean that person is the best leader on the team. You are looking at it in the wrong way.
Aside from the current OL issues, it appears we are headed for depth issues along the interior OL in 1-2 years when guys like Burden, Devine, Griffin and Marshall move on.
You have guys named Morgan, Cooper, Lee, etc... that will take over for those guys. They will sign 4-5 OLs in this class as well.
If we continue to recruit well at DT, could you see a scenario where Scott Morgan is moved over to the offensive line at some point in his career (ala Mansfield Wrotto)?
I think Scott Morgan will be on OL on Monday, I would bet money on it.
Had been encouraged by CPJ's optimistic reports up until this weekend, then bang, Saturday he seemed exceptionally discouraged, even for him. Mostly towards the OL. Was this PJ the realist or OJ the motivational Psychologist?
I talked to someone who saw practice and they were terrible and Shamire is really overweight, Griffin's knee is still messed up and Whitley (head injury) can't go. That really messes things up especially when you are playing without your Almost All-ACC level center in Burden.
What is your evaluation of the athletic talent on hand to build a competent OL?
They have plenty of guys, I really like the Kenny Cooper kid coming in and I think the Morgan twins will be at guard, the X factors are Shamire and Griffin at OG, can they step it up. I don't think Andrew Marshall is a guard, I think he needs to play OT, I think that Burden is great at OC and the OTs will be fine, but shitty guard play makes them look terrible too because guys will get in their way.
What is your pure unadulterated opinion of CJP and this hire? I know the whole world has been very negative about CJP. What do people with basketball knowledgethink?
I think it is a smart move now. I wasn't sure until I met Josh. He reminds me of Cremins in many ways, he will build up the community and get people fired up. I think he really struggled with the pressure at Memphis and was scrambling to win and not balancing his roster the way he wanted to or playing the way he wanted to. It was like if GT football went West Coast offense one week and Spread the next, you can't win, but he was scrambling because of injuries and guys leaving on him.
I asked Josh point blank about this stuff and he said he didn't handle replacing Coach Cal well and the expectations at Memphis were out of whack because of Cal and he was so young and green as a HC he was learning his way. I think he will pave his own path at GT and has the potential to bring in exciting NBA-level talent.
To me he needs a strong staff and not to just hire local guys to get one or two kids. I think you can give one of those guys the OPS job and focus on the best three assistants he can get. GT should have some wiggle room for assistants since they are paying him less than Drew out of the box and MBob told me he wants to make sure Josh gets good help which is why he isn't bringing his former staff here.
He is still learning his coaching style and how to run a program and that isn't bad either, he isn't stuck in his ways yet with anything. Very interesting guy and I think the GT people will really like him.
MBob publicly stated that BDrew/GT decided at the final four that vanderbilt was a better fit and we decided to pursue other candidates. Was this a blatant lie?
Not exactly, Drew agreed to take the Vandy job that Saturday of the Final Four then GT counter offered and Vandy raised their offer and by Sunday night he had shut it down. In the meantime MBob talked to Josh and the Butler coach and then Cuonzo.
Sounds like DRobis getting close to committing. Are you expecting a decision this week?
Yeah I've got a squirrelly feeling on this going UGA's way. We shall see. A coach friend of mine at another school asked me how the hell Kirby or PJ would deal with this kid when they get him on campus because his ego has been stroked to an astronomical level due to the nature of his recruitment. He predicted whether it was UGA, GT, ND or Cal he will be a bust, I mean he isn't Calvin Johnson out of HS, he is a slot WR and return guy. We shall see what happens, his family told GT he is committing there, but a lot of time has passed since he was last on campus.
Maybe not every year, depends on the # of ships he has, but he can put some together when they have more than two ships to offer, remember hoops you only have a handful of spots so to get in the top 25 if you only two take they would have to be top 50 players.
It seems like OL play has always been an issue under Johnson, besides 2014... Why is it so difficult for us to block people?
dcjacket gave a great answer actually
"1. With a couple of exceptions, Navy and GSU does not week in and weak out have to face the level of talent of the types like Clemson, UGA, UNC, FSU, VT etc. These defenses are bigger, more athletic, and stronger. Furthermore, they are able to bring the fight to the Offense and disrupt it.
2. CPJ while at GSU was bringing in the talent at the top level of his competition. He was the FSU, Ala of his class. While at Navy, the equalizer is the mindset and motivation of these guys. If you ever watched a Navy game, you will see a much higher level of intensity consistently executed on the field than what we see with our crew who are more talented. The midshipman are special guys, especially the players with what they have to do.
3. IMO, CPJ has to morph what I believe is his view on player evaluation and placement on the OL and take it to another level. The reason for this at both stops he has had to coach up players and fit players into the offense. This is whether you move G or TE and make them OTs or DTs to either a C or G. This is a result of working with what you have and is a great skill set. Consider this, a true OT is difficult to get at GT, almost impossible at his previous stops.
4. I obviously have not seen his playbook with blocking schemes. However, I think on the OL he needs to adjust the schemes because they maybe a little ambitious because who he is blocking, how he is blocking, or who he is using to execute the block. Just to give him credit, in my view three seasons ago this was very obvious and he made adjustments in our very successful year setting an Orange Bowl record. Last year it seems it was an issue of injuries."
If memory serves me correctly cpj coached teams at southern and navy didn't seem to have OL issues. Wth?
See above, they weren't facing ACC-level DLs, LB and DBs in practice either. Also the Navy guys will do and execute anything you tell them, I mean they are trained that way and it reflects in how they perform on the field.
In reference to a lack of leadership on the football team, from a report. In 2014, JT was a soph team captain, the first I ever recall at GT, and I thought he would provide great leadership throughout his career. Now he seems to not be the leader we need. What happened?
Vad Lee was one vote from being a team captain the year before, that doesn't mean anything. The players vote on the captains doesn't mean that person is the best leader on the team. You are looking at it in the wrong way.
Aside from the current OL issues, it appears we are headed for depth issues along the interior OL in 1-2 years when guys like Burden, Devine, Griffin and Marshall move on.
You have guys named Morgan, Cooper, Lee, etc... that will take over for those guys. They will sign 4-5 OLs in this class as well.
If we continue to recruit well at DT, could you see a scenario where Scott Morgan is moved over to the offensive line at some point in his career (ala Mansfield Wrotto)?
I think Scott Morgan will be on OL on Monday, I would bet money on it.
Had been encouraged by CPJ's optimistic reports up until this weekend, then bang, Saturday he seemed exceptionally discouraged, even for him. Mostly towards the OL. Was this PJ the realist or OJ the motivational Psychologist?
I talked to someone who saw practice and they were terrible and Shamire is really overweight, Griffin's knee is still messed up and Whitley (head injury) can't go. That really messes things up especially when you are playing without your Almost All-ACC level center in Burden.
What is your evaluation of the athletic talent on hand to build a competent OL?
They have plenty of guys, I really like the Kenny Cooper kid coming in and I think the Morgan twins will be at guard, the X factors are Shamire and Griffin at OG, can they step it up. I don't think Andrew Marshall is a guard, I think he needs to play OT, I think that Burden is great at OC and the OTs will be fine, but shitty guard play makes them look terrible too because guys will get in their way.
What is your pure unadulterated opinion of CJP and this hire? I know the whole world has been very negative about CJP. What do people with basketball knowledgethink?
I think it is a smart move now. I wasn't sure until I met Josh. He reminds me of Cremins in many ways, he will build up the community and get people fired up. I think he really struggled with the pressure at Memphis and was scrambling to win and not balancing his roster the way he wanted to or playing the way he wanted to. It was like if GT football went West Coast offense one week and Spread the next, you can't win, but he was scrambling because of injuries and guys leaving on him.
I asked Josh point blank about this stuff and he said he didn't handle replacing Coach Cal well and the expectations at Memphis were out of whack because of Cal and he was so young and green as a HC he was learning his way. I think he will pave his own path at GT and has the potential to bring in exciting NBA-level talent.
To me he needs a strong staff and not to just hire local guys to get one or two kids. I think you can give one of those guys the OPS job and focus on the best three assistants he can get. GT should have some wiggle room for assistants since they are paying him less than Drew out of the box and MBob told me he wants to make sure Josh gets good help which is why he isn't bringing his former staff here.
He is still learning his coaching style and how to run a program and that isn't bad either, he isn't stuck in his ways yet with anything. Very interesting guy and I think the GT people will really like him.
MBob publicly stated that BDrew/GT decided at the final four that vanderbilt was a better fit and we decided to pursue other candidates. Was this a blatant lie?
Not exactly, Drew agreed to take the Vandy job that Saturday of the Final Four then GT counter offered and Vandy raised their offer and by Sunday night he had shut it down. In the meantime MBob talked to Josh and the Butler coach and then Cuonzo.
Sounds like DRobis getting close to committing. Are you expecting a decision this week?
Yeah I've got a squirrelly feeling on this going UGA's way. We shall see. A coach friend of mine at another school asked me how the hell Kirby or PJ would deal with this kid when they get him on campus because his ego has been stroked to an astronomical level due to the nature of his recruitment. He predicted whether it was UGA, GT, ND or Cal he will be a bust, I mean he isn't Calvin Johnson out of HS, he is a slot WR and return guy. We shall see what happens, his family told GT he is committing there, but a lot of time has passed since he was last on campus.
